tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post4256418450721426661..comments2024-03-10T04:01:44.407-05:00Comments on The RAsburry Patch: ClarificationRandy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-60336752729504728102008-04-03T15:37:00.000-05:002008-04-03T15:37:00.000-05:00Hi Pastor,As that concerned friend, I was also ope...Hi Pastor,<br><br>As that concerned friend, I was also operating under information from my wife... who knows the Sem student who at one time was serving as the Vicar at Crave... and may still be there... not sure... but he had told her awhile back ... that they do not serve food during worship.<br><br>Maybe they changed that policy? If so shame on them!!! They need to read 1 Corin again!<br><br>And i reiterate that I do not in any way agree with the place and would never worship there... mmm personally, I cannot call happy clapp, praise band, lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya type services "worship"<br><br>Thanks for the great blog though! I like your blog : )<br><br>MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-79740923896785873172008-04-03T16:49:00.000-05:002008-04-03T16:49:00.000-05:00Thanks for clarifying your position on "The C...Thanks for clarifying your position on "The Crave," Matt! :-)Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-30275870469814751542008-04-04T08:19:00.000-05:002008-04-04T08:19:00.000-05:00I was under the assumption that the food and drink...I was under the assumption that the food and drink was free. You mean they actually charge for food and drink at a "worship service?" Suppose you are young or poor and do not have the funds to make a purchase. Does that mean you have to sit there and watch all the successful, bright, shiny, happy people around you chow down while you sip on a cup of water from the tap? Surely not. Do you know what CRAVE does with the money it charges congregants/customers? Do they give it away? Or is this a for profit venture much like KFUO apparently is? <br><br> Frankly, I'm MUCH more impressed with the work of the Salvation Army than I am of CRAVE---at least of the little I know about it.<br><br>BTW, I think your First Corinthians quote is quite appropriate here.<br><br>Tom FastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-62813826575834640582008-04-04T14:21:00.000-05:002008-04-04T14:21:00.000-05:00Well, we have one CSL Prof who is the "Superv...Well, we have one CSL Prof who is the "Supervising Pastor" for Crave and at least one or two others who "attend" there. Sad, sad, sad. <br><br>Michael KummMichael Kummwww.trinitymillstadt.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-43272523880519431062008-04-04T15:37:00.000-05:002008-04-04T15:37:00.000-05:00While all this flies about, has the St. John Ellis...While all this flies about, has the St. John Ellisville "plant" at Schlafly's Bottleworks flown under your radar? It's been in the works since my 4th year, starting a brand new church right next door to the LCMS parish in Maplewood, in a bar, without ever informing the neighboring pastor and his struggling congregation.<br><br>The time I visited, with a few friends, and looked like an award evil cleric leaning on a wall and trying to ignore the painful feeling in my gut the charismatic praise was causing, I was highly disappointed to glance into the crowd of young people - comprised about half of seminarians and their wives - and notice one girl sipping her beer.<br><br>Now, I'm all for beer. I like it. In fact, I have even attended an evening prayer service after sipping beer somewhere else with my buddies. We weren't drunk. We prayed. It was great. But something about drinking beer while I'm singing praises to Jesus about how much I love him [because that's what "wosrhip" is] just seems...um... misguided.<br><br>Needless to note, the preaching that night was a 2nd year seminarian who spoke from the Purpose-Driven platform, elaborating on the "Gladiator" quote, "What we do in time echoes through eternity." And no, he wasn't talking about what Jesus did on the cross lasting forever. He was talking about what you, Christian, need to do now that you're saved. (I'm amazed he could sit through courses at CSL and really believe that...but who am I?)<br><br>Later, in "group break outs" we were asked to discuss moments of high "spritiuality" in our lives. The man next to me at the table, a boomer to be sure, a member out at Ellisville, was completely confused by me. I had been rather silent during the schwermeraish answers, so he asked me, "what about you." I replied, "I have never had a spiritual high as great as when I was baptized."<br><br>"You were baptized as an adult?"<br><br>"No."<br><br>More confusion.<br><br>"Then how can you remember it?" <br><br>"I make the sign of the cross and speak the name of the triune God. In fact, I remember my baptism more than once a day. It's great."<br><br>I then proceeded to actually have an "igniter moment" with the man, telling him about the power of the Holy Spirit in the promise of baptism, and how it frees us through the cross from slavery to "what we have to do." The man was honestly interested. HE'D NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE - a member of one of our "best" parishes now involved in a "mission plant" because of his commitment to "Lutheranism."<br><br>Oh my...what an age in which we live. :D<br><br>Sorry for the length!RevFiskhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06019695047249137807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-48928956622508490652008-04-04T17:02:00.000-05:002008-04-04T17:02:00.000-05:00revfisk,Good question, about the "beer church...revfisk,<br><br>Good question, about the "beer church group" at Schlafly! No, I haven't missed that one; just haven't mentioned it...yet. ;-)<br><br>Thanks for your insights. Sounds like you have much more intimate knowledge of that aberration than I do. <br><br>(And don't apologize for the length. We need to hear this stuff!)Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-18252547936595908362008-04-04T17:03:00.000-05:002008-04-04T17:03:00.000-05:00Tom,No, I don't believe that the food and drin...Tom,<br><br>No, I don't believe that the food and drink are free. Just look at the menu at the CRAVE site.<br><br>As for what they do with the money, I have no clue. Fund their unique "ministry" somehow? Who knows?Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-51886805199733788562008-04-04T17:37:00.000-05:002008-04-04T17:37:00.000-05:00If the food and drink are not freely provided to t...If the food and drink are not freely provided to the congregants, then methinks we are in need of another "cleansing of the Temple." I'm serious.<br><br>I really, really appreciate the zeal folks have in trying to reach out with the gospel, but I hope efforts such as these don't end up completely perverting the piety of the people who attend. Just pause and think on the dynamic at work when the church sells trendy and expensive food and drink in such manner. What is this doing to the people? We ought to pray for them.<br><br>I suppose I'd be more open to such a thing if I knew it was simply a catechetical service which had as its ultimate goal the bringing of the congregant/customers into the Divine Service. Please tell me this is the plan here. <br><br>Tom FastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-89343657342914316172008-04-04T23:57:00.000-05:002008-04-04T23:57:00.000-05:00Tom said: "I suppose I'd be more open to ...Tom said: <br><br>"I suppose I'd be more open to such a thing if I knew it was simply a catechetical service which had as its ultimate goal the bringing of the congregant/customers into the Divine Service. Please tell me this is the plan here."<br><br>Um, "catechetical"? "Divine Service"? Methinks you're speaking a foreign language for what's going on here! I wish I could tell you "this is the plan here"!Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-36446231329862799242008-04-05T10:26:00.000-05:002008-04-05T10:26:00.000-05:00Randy,Please excuse me. I need to go pop a couple...Randy,<br><br>Please excuse me. I need to go pop a couple of Tums.<br><br>Tom FastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-5824089386150038072008-04-05T18:39:00.000-05:002008-04-05T18:39:00.000-05:00Tom,That coffee and sandwich during church getting...Tom,<br><br>That coffee and sandwich during church getting to you? ;-)Randy Asburryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01545983197990430420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1867177699028333340.post-83552054745104558672008-04-06T10:05:00.000-05:002008-04-06T10:05:00.000-05:00Ha!! Boy did you nail it!BTW, I would recommend t...Ha!! Boy did you nail it!<br><br>BTW, I would recommend to any of you who are considering attending that "church," to avoid going during thunderstorms. Lest you literally become ablaze.<br><br>Tom FastAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com